I agree with EL

Ryan won on decorum, but Biden won on facts. Facts are what matter to me, so in my opinion, Biden won.

Biden won the debate for so far distance that Ryan can't be see on the race no more...!!! Saddly Ryan the only thing he can do is drink some more water when Biden keep slaping his face with facts. LOL

I was extremely dissapointed with Bidens performance, not only was it disrespectful to his Boss, but to Ryan and the American public. I think Ryan won due to his respectful responses and his ability to show that his being second in line does not cause people to worry as they did with Palin in the last election. This was a professional, intelligent, informed person, even though Bidens replies were equally so, his body language, continuous interupting, and disrespect lost it by a landslide. If were Obama I would have called him out following the performance.

I think anyone watching the debate with an open mind without any preconceptions will have to agree Joe threw out his fair share of mostly false statements as Ryan threw out his share. I think they were tied on content, but Joe’s lack of respect and decorum lost him the debate by landslide.

What got me was Biden's comments on abortion (infanticide) from a "Catholic" viewpoint. He's against(?) it but FOR the woman's "right to choose/decide" whether or not to MURDER a completely defenseless fetus for the sake of convenience.

BUT, when it comes to EVERY AMERICANS' healthcare THEY/WE will have absolutely NO CHOICE in the matter under Obamacare.

www.zazzle.com/mrunpc
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.

Paul Ray has a good head on his shoulders.

Biden was by far the winner...Ryan looked liked he needed his diper changed...
So it's fine for Romney to be rude, disrespectful and pushy but when Biden was laying
down the facts that's not fair...Republicans are cry babies, period...

I think the take away from the VP debate is as follows: Interpretation of who was the winner or loser is being sharply determined by party affiliation and candidate commitment. Polls show that less than 4% of voters are undecided at this point in time, so the debates are simply yet another way for the two parties to continue to split this country in half with divisive polls, news clips, and article such as this. For us to continue to fall prey to these tactics (and these tactics are in no way any different between the two parties) is a massive shame on us. Our forefathers warned that a political system eroding to a two party system would produce exactly the results we are experiencing. If we are truly enlightened arm chair political pundits then perhaps we should rise to the occasion and kick them both to the curb and put our votes where our beliefs supposedly reside. Nice to think, but I suspect too many enjoy the rabid attacks on one another as opposed to open and intelligent conversation.

Take it or leave it, the deer look on Ryan's face tells it all....

I wondered why Ryan didn't address Biden's obvious attempt to distract viewers with his "Joker" grin and constant interruptions. Biden's mouthful of teeth was indeed distracting and demonstrated his contempt for the whole debate scenario. Does this translate into contempt for voters who want candidates to be a little more serious when given the state of our economy and the dismal future that lies ahead? Probably so. Both candidates hurled their share of "facts" that, when closely examined, might not hold up to the truth. I expected a lot more and am glad this is the final VP debate! The debate was the loser!

Biden bit him right on the ***.

People are concerned because Biden was smarky and grinning after listening to the lies of Romney and Ryan for an entire year? How about being upset because they want to privatize Social Social and get rid of Medicare? How about being upset because Ryan constantly talks about the stimulus but then requested it privately in an email to Biden? How about being upset because we are a couple weeks from elections and Ryan or Romney still will not give details as to what they want to cut? How about them wanting to take a womans right to chose what she does with her own body?

Ryan was clueless on Afghanistan. Had no idea our troops were being replaced with Alghanistan military and would not even commit to a withdrawl in 2014. So be upset over someone grinning but not someone that's been lying to you for a year?

Report Card For Biden:
Grade: Failed Miserably!
Extreme Rudeness!
Insensitive!
Bully Attitude!
Wipe That Grin Off Your Face, You Are A Disgrace!
Shame On You For Mocking The Debate System!
YOU LOSE BIDEN!

Not only is he rude and sarcastic he is a liar and a fool. One lie was concerning the fact that the new contraceptive law will not effect the Catholic Church it effects basic Church Doctrine ourelse why would the Catholic Bishops be suing the Obama Administration.

TENNESSEE VOTER, Biden's weakness’ is he hit hard with a sarcastic smile and his weapon is his aggressiveness & rude manners.

Ryan was very professional - Biden looked like and idiot with all the smirks and laughing. Don't know of anything he has done as Vice President.

And Biden is very aware of that. Biden was the Professor and Ryan was the pupil. Ryan did well but was lacking on facts and ideas that would really work. Biden found Ryan's idea's silly.

Bidden know everything "whats his name" said was a lie or was going to be a lie. Bidden was just thinking of all those people who were going to believe him.

Joe was not laughing at the issues? He was laughing at the ridiculous plans Ryan-Romney have.

"He to young Ryan to School"? Really? Apparently the same school that "taught" you the proper use of English grammar, right?

The old white man's snarky, snide, condescending, arrogant EIGHTY (80) PLUS interruptions of Paul Ryan epitomizes what "democrats" (aka: Commies in drag) are all about.

Paul Ryan was classy, kept his cool and was respectful which is what Republicans and Conservatives are all about.

The choice on November 6th truly is a no brainer.

www.zazzle.com/mrunpc
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.

Evidently Will was watching the NFL football game or something other than the VP debate.The only thing Biden did was yell non-facts and give sarcastic smiles at Ryan.
I'm not saying Ryan actually won but it was a toss-up at best for Biden.

Great line.

LOVE THAT LINE, CHRISTY J., CONGRESSMAN RYAN GOT HIM GOOD !!!!

You have it backwards- Biden was rude not Ryan-check the facts "hick"!

I agree rob. During last weeks debate, Romney appeared to come out on top with a slight margin. (I hate to admit it, but it's honest) At least it appeared this way. I think quite a few people are for Romney because he is not Obama. All I ask is listen to what each is really saying. Back to the debates, tonights debate, Biden did an excellent job and won the debate without a doubt.

You most definitely have it backwards on who was rude. Biden is the type of person that judges have thrown out of the courtroom. In a circle of men, if a big mouth like Biden started running his mouth like Biden does...he's be lucky to walk away with all his teeth. Biden has all the verbal characterisics of a bully, but in the streets he'd only be someones female dog in heat. I first remember what a pompous jerk he can be the way he spoke in Bill Clinton's defense back during Clintons Monaca/Impeachment circus. Without a doubt, his nose is very, very brown.

Rudeness? Vice President Biden was the epidemy of rudeness. He has absolutely no manners. I'm sorry, but someone who cannot conduct himself in a decent manner is in no way a winner at anything, just a disgrace.

Joe Biden easily won this debate. The main criticism by Ryan supporters seems to be that Biden was rude and made faces at Ryan. This weak argument tells me that Biden won on the substantative issues. Ryan was like a child on stage who just kept repeating GOP talking points while Biden showed his years of knowledge and experience and successfully countered Ryan's lies.

CJ; Perhaps you are not aware that the Vice Pres., was a Law Prof., during his years in the Senate. He is NOT a man judges throw out of court. I would often drive down from Princeton U, just to listen to a man deeply interested in Justice for all!

Did hick watch the same debate or just review the reviews on CNN in the morning?

No. Micahel Fuchs, tactics like that in a court of law will get you a warning from a judge...and it won't be much of a warning....and if it goes on...the judge will have the balif remove the person. It also depends a lot of the judge on how much they will tolerate. I don't think Judge Judy or Judge Alex would like Biden very much...lol. Judges have people removed from court very often for doing just what Biden did. You don't know what you are talking about. They also come down on lawyers ''hard'' for things that border on contempt..which Biden was guilty of.

Huh? What debate were YOU watching? Talk about bassackwards logic!!!

"LIBERALS ARE PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION SURVIVORS"
www.zazzle.com/mrunpc
ANTI-Obama/Democrat/Commie/Union stickers, etc.

HEY ROB HICKS,
DIDN'T YOUR PARENTS & GRANDPARENTS TAUGHT YOU MANNERS NOT TO INTERRUPT WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING? THAT'S WHAY BIDEN DID. AS OLDER PERSON BIDEN IS MORE EXPERIENCED BUT HE SHOULDN'T SCOFF AT YOUNGER PEOPLE BECAUSE THEIR IDEAS ARE CURRENT, HE'S IS OUTDATED. HE'S IS BASED ON ARROGANCE, RYAN IS ON INTELLECT. BTW, YOU CAN BUY AN ETIQUETTE BOOKS AT BARNES & NOBLE SO YOU CAN LEARN WHAT'S RUDE & WHAT'S NOT....

VP Biden won fair and square go Biden go !!!!

If you recall, cwb, the moderator mentioned several times that Ryan was NOT giving specifics. Biden, a winner, on all counts. Ryan, scripted-like Palin. Losers, reach for style points when substance is lacking. PS., Ryan was lost on foreign policy. Like Romney, Ryan knows nothing, and throwing mud at a foreign policy expert-looks desperate.

CJ, Obama and Biden, have always been on the same page. Actions speak louder than words. It is Romney and Ryan, that struggle to find common ground. Of course, their positions change daily, and spin doctors walk back comments after every interview. One would think that Romney, who has run for almost 6 years, would know if he was an "extreme conservative," or a moderate. He is a man with few principles, and a lot of malarky. Not certain about the spelling of malarky.

I think the most recent polls showing Obama behind in Florida by as much as 7 pts and even now 1 or 2 pts behind in Ohion, and losing PA badly is proof of what the Americans see in the Pres and Veep, dishonesty and disrepect. Time for them to Go.
\

Oh come now, Michael Fuchs. You wrote:''Not certain about the spelling of malarky''. Don't short change yourself...you know plenty about malarky. It's everything else you don't know much about.

Rettino,

My wife and I were discussing this same thing. Especially when it came to abortion and has half hearted change of stance.

"his" not "has"

Rettino...it's not unusual for Presidents and their VP's to have conflcts as you described. It is well known tha Biden and Obama have trouble keeping their differences from being too noticeable. I personally don't think here was a perfectly clear winner...and that fact ''may'' give the edge by a very slight margin to Biden. For Ryan, that is still good news. To have been a ''soild'' win, win ,win for the GOP, Ryan would have had to leave little question on who won. He did not do that, but holding his own and keeping it close was probably his minimum goal. I think many don't like the lame, cheap-shot ''distracting tactic'' Biden went for and think it was not very respectful of how important this elelction is. Most of us would have liked to see them both be more intellectual in thier replies. Biden seemed immature , under the circumstances. He acted like they were talking at a bar and he had 10 of his own friends there, while Ryan was alone. Anyone can talk smack then.

Biden is an example of a person who lives by the creed that if you can't bowl them over with facts, then flabergast them with ''BS''. He's good at it...but it doesn not mean it is a good thing.

incompetent and dishonest after the Romney debate people think that his behavior was anything less than a complete narcissistic rant He rails Obama for his spending and then states he wants to raise the dept by seven trillion unfunded, but he can not tell you how he willdo any of his fairy tell ideas.I think Biden showed what a complete fool Ryan and Romney are.Tell it like it is JOE

The only categories Biden won in were rudeness, crudeness, disrespect, laughing, smirking, making faces, interruptions, lying, The person with class, Ryan, won as at least he told the truth and let the American people hear a plan, the five point Romney plan to restore our economy, create jobs and reduce the national debt. I didn't hear anything new from Biden with respect to a Democrat plan just more spending and taxation.

Mike Brown you are kidding, aren't you. Ryan was totally prepared and totally in control. He answered the questions. Biden just kept throwing out "stuff"! He obviously failed Acting 101 - because he spent most of the time mugging and cutting off Ryan. He is an obnoxious, old man. But I must admit he has a great set of dentures. Spent most of the night staring at them waiting for them to pop out.

HEY MIKE BROWN,
BIDEN DIDN'T DESTROYED RYAN. BIDEN IS ONE OF THOSE SCHOOL BULLIES AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S GOOD AT. HE'S A HIRED BULLDOG WHO'S GOOD AT SCARE TACTICS & USES SMIRKS, LAUGHS, MOCKING & VERY IMMATURE FOR AN OLD MAN WHEN RYAN AS USUAL, KNOWLEDGEABLE OF THE FACTS . THEY WAY BIDEN HANDLED HIMSELF WAS CONDESCENDING. HE WAS CONSTANTLY INTERRUPTING RYAN THAT SHOULDN'T BE TOLERATED BY THE MODERATOR. I GUESS THE MODERATOR IS OBAMA'S FRIEND SINCE OBAMA ATTENDED HER WEDDING IN 1991.

Amen on that Mike...Once Ryan couldn't keep the lies straight he shut up...Go Joe!!!

Your right on both accounts.

Conspiracy Theorist!! Or quite possible one of those home-grown extremists??

I agree with Jeff completely. Ryan was polite and well educated on most issues and Biden was completely off base with his condescending attitude and inability to take this seriously.

Really strong comments Jeff...you must work in the situation room.

Great reply, Jill.

MARCIA GODICH,

I GUESS YOU KNOW WHAT A CAR SALESMEN ARE.... YOU MUST BE ONE OF THEM :(

I agree James. As a member of the armed forces, we do what we've done best. We were given directives to reduce wasteful spending and our members answered the call with suggestions that were implemented. We had growing pains, but we have adapted and are more efficient in our dedication and work for this country. We are not asking for more money to burden the taxpayers. We evolved.

So "Hope" is not a strategy? I seem to remember that being the focal point of the Obama campaign back in 2008. Hope which turned out to be nothing but despair for America with reckless spending on the part of Democrats because of failed stimuli, a dramatic increase in the national debt, a lower credit rating for America, unemployment still hovering at around 8%. I can all but guarantee you that President Obama will sink America if he is re-elected, so if that what you want re-elect Obama.

Jessa,

I too found some "high school" moments when Ryan spoke. His closing was well rehearsed and lacked sincerity, just like a new debater trying to make something believable that they are not 100% behind.

Really Jessa! I really felt it was the other way around. Ryan was very professional, whereas Biden seemed like a control freak, a complete idiot for behaving the way he did.

JESS BEAUVISAGE, YOU REALLY DON'T GET IT, DO YOU? THE ONLY BIDEN WON IS RUDENESS, CRUDENESS, SMIRKING. BUT HEY, HE REALLY GOT GREAT SET OF DENTURES SINCE HE KEEPS LOOKING AT IT ALL NIGHT AT THE MONITOR !!!

Just like Romney did last week...

Raco, that was not the behavior of Romney last week. Did you even watch last weeks debate.

Raco your an idiot. Obama couldn't even look Romney in the face when he talked to him. He couldn't even talk to him man to man and he smirked and giggled just as much to Romney as bidden did last night. these two idiots in office treat people like dirt and all you have to di is look at their actions when they talk to people. like they think they are gods! Keep chugging that Obama cool aid

Ryan didn't do any damage to the GOP, but let's face it, he looked nervous, insincere and especially not 'Presidential'. While Biden's theatrics were over the top, he schooled Ryan. Independent voter. Still undecided, but once again, may be that Republican VP pick will be their undoing. Palin cost McCain the election. He would have been a fine president and would no doubt have won. Too bad he didn't.

No Tom. All Biden did was school Ryan on what it looks like when an older man who should know better demonstrates the same level of control as one of his grandchildren. I was embarrassed for Biden. His behaviour was unprofessional. In the way our behaviour could reflect the way things should be done one might say both VP candidates did their fair share of schooling the other. The question is whether we can afford to have someone so clearly lacking in control of their emotions so close to what is arguably one of the most powerful positions in the world. Who was he mugging for, and why are people like you so blinded by ideology incapable of holding the candidate that shares your ideology to the behaviour you require of your ideological opponents?

Of all the things that frighten me about the American mindset this has to be at the top of the list. Such people exert electoral control and as such are responsible for my quality of life.

Thus the large number of comments seen last night and a few on this thread from former Obama voters offended by Biden's debate performance remind me that I am not alone as a mature adult and my insistence that my leaders, especially those of sufficiently advanced age they are seen as political role models, exemplify that quality at least or more than do I. The residents of the U.S. deserve no less.

Biden dished out lie, after lie, after lie. That's all the Democrats are good for. Why they even go to the point of putting out lies about their opponents in hopes that if they are heard enough they will be believed. There is nothing any worse than a Democrat.

JOE C.... HERE YOU GO AGAIN. YOU REALLY DON'T GET IT, DO YOU? THE REASON RYAN COULDN'T EXPLAIN BECAUSE GROUCHY, RUDE GRANDPA BIDEN KEEPS INTERRUPTING!!!! HE'S A HIRED BULLDOG WHO DOESN'T KNOW ANY BETTER. IF YOU HAVE KIDS OF YOUR OWN, ONE DAY IF A BULLY DID THE SAME THING TO YOUR CHILD / CHILDREN OF COURSE THE BULLY WILL WIN NOT BECAUSE OF THE FACTS BUT BECAUSE OF HIS RUDENESS....... THAT'S ALL.

Joe Biden won. The reason Ryan couldn't explain the proposed budget is because if he does, no one will vote for them. They REFUSE to say what they will cut. I think for one it will probably be the mortgage deductible for starters. Homeowners would not be happy about that. And as for Medicare and Social Security..they want to do away with them altogether. They "Flip Flop" so much it's hard to keep up..I think they are the 2 biggest hypocrites walking around today. I wouldn't trust them to deliver me pizza, much less run the country.

EVEN RADDATS DID NOT BELIEVE JOE BIDEN EXPLANATIONS FOR LIBYA. HOW EMBARRASSING IS THAT, HUH?

REALLY, COL ??? THE ONLY CATEGORIES BIDEN WON IS RUDENESS, DISRESPECT, INTERRUPTIONS. OBAMA & BIDEN "HOPE & CHANGE" 4 YEARS AGO? WHERE IS THE MIDDLE CLASS HOPE NOW? WHERE IS THE CHANGED? THEY ONLY CHANGED THEY DID IS MADE ALL THE MIDDLE CLASS POOR & THE POOR, POORER !!!! THEN, THE BLAME IT ON THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION , HOW SAD & PATHETIC.

El, it's rude to write caps.

YOO, LINDA. I'M NOT RUDE. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ME. HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT I DON'T HAVE EYE ISSUE? MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. IT'S SOOO TYPICAL OF DEMOCRATS LIKE YOU TO BE SO ARROGANT.

THE ONLY CATEGORIES BIDEN WON IS " RUDENESS" "RUDENESS" "RUDENESS" & MORE "RUDENESS" !!!!!!!!!

El, again, it's rude to write in caps.

LINDA, AGAIN I SAID MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. SOMEDAY YOU WILL BE BLIND YOURSELF & THEN I'LL TELL YOU THAT YOU'RE RUDE BECAUSE YOU'RE WRITING IN CAPS. LEAVE ME ALONE & DO YOUR OWN THING. YOU IGNORAMUS
DEMOCRAT.

Reference Romney Debate #1

THE MODERATOR CRUSHED RYAN??? REALLY??? OR WAS IT BECAUSE THE MODERATOR IS A FRIEND OF OBAMA BECAUSE HE ATTENDED THE MODERATOR'S WEDDING IN 1991?

The purpose of the moderator is to moderate. Not crush. That in itself is stepping out of the mode of objectivity required of a moderator.

Koolaid Liberals seem impervious to misbehaviour when it comes to those sharing their ideology. If the moderator had done something similar, having a clear inability to be impartial due to a personal relationship with Ryan, you and those like you would be up in arms, spelling, grammatical and syntax errors even worse than usual.

Political support and team support are not synonymous. It is vital we realise that team loyalty is fine when it has no affect on anyone's personal life. Whatever NFL team wins or loses it won't affect your employment status, your health care or insurance coverage, whether your son or daughter perishes in a war theatre. We all need to be very careful to check our biases when preparing to vote.

Sadly, few Liberals will do so. They are too busy munching down popcorn, hot dogs and giant sized cokes, screaming at the screen with a team loyalty that is more appropriate to a NFL game. They don't much care if I spend the NEXT four years without a job, health care or if I can even afford to put my kids on my health care due to the stratospheric increase in insurance costs. Who cares if I can keep them on a year longer? I can't even afford to add my spouse, let alone any kids.

P.S. Ad = advertisement
Add = to increase, to put together numerically.

You will be poorer than you are now; clearly. What a dumb move to vote for a rich man who partied on his yacht with other rich men, discussing tax breaks for them, that you will pay for.

Of course you will be poorer when you dont have a job!

Your right, Kristina. I will be poorer,because Obama will probably win. I was not sure about Romney, but he does have one thing I think Obama lacks as a leader. That is United We Stand Divided We Fall. At least Romney listens to both sides. Instead of wasting your time thinking about him being on a yacht, look in to his record. And I dont care if hes rich. So is Obama they both WORKED! to become Rich. Just like you can work to become rich. Also, I dont think any President gos into office thinking how can I make more of a mess of things I believe Obama did have our best intrest at hand, however he is not the only one running the country. I dont think he understands United We Stand divided We Fall.

Fact is the mess was created by the Democrats who held control of the House and Senate prior to 2008. Bush was made the scapegoat my the liberal media which is bought and paid for by the Democrats.

Stephanie..that is very impressive the way you caught that point. It is so true, and you mentioned it so well. good job.

Mr. Sunshine,
Your fact is an opinion. The mess started in the 1970's and early 1980's. Then helped grown by both parties through out the last 3 decades. Please get your "facts" straight. That is as bad as people who blame the internet economic bubble on Bush. Both parties at fault, please refrain from revisionist history to "support" your party. Try supporting your country instead.

Sorry to here that Stepanie.

I feel your pain Stephanie. I lost my job of 8 years 1 year into the Obama presidency. Since then I have been doing the UI, new job, wait for health insurance to kick in, sicken without rx and medical support, lose job, wait for UI, new job, wait for health insur. to kick in, sicken w/o rx dance for 3 years with 5 jobs. My spouse and I have seen an income drop of 60% during the Obama presidency, and due to a chronic lack of health insurance/medical care and all of the attendant stress my spouse had a heart attack and is now unable to work altogether. What good are all of these Obama promises if you can't count on employment?

Don't listen to people like Katrina here. She is more than happy to engage in class warfare from her ivory tower. Only people who have suffered in this economy care more about what a President will do to improve their lives than what religion they practice, who their friends are, where they party and what's in their bank account. I'm looking to see my life improve, and personal attacks are transparent and childish. The Ivory Tower set laugh, smirk, display contempt and make faces about subjects close to our hearts and that can make or break our lives. It is so obvious to me who is in an Ivory Tower (ie. unaffected by the last four years of economic disaster) and who is not. I.T. types make personal attacks while the rest of us are weighing our options very carefully, as a vote cast for the wrong candidate actually affects us.

Thank You. Jasminetea. I had a feeling I would be laid off work. I live in Redding Ca.Our unemployment rate is 12.5%.The wondering when it would happen was the question with the rate that high. And Upperhooverdnaym, im sorry that you are suffering, it will not always be that way. But as angry as, Obama can not take all the blame it take two. So I will Quote What We Have Here, Is a Failure To Communicate. The Middle East Wages War on Religion,using bombs. We Wage war on opinions using words. Until there is Unity,between our leaders,we will suffer. I dont feel at all that this is there intent. How hard can it be to just STOP!! and listen to each other. Its breaking my heart GOD I pray, you still believe in us...

Just so you know, RACO....President Barack Obama was a guest at the 1991 wedding of ABC senior foreign correspondent and vice presidential debate moderator Martha Raddatz, The Daily Caller has learned. Obama and groom Julius Genachowski, whom Obama would later tap to head the Federal Communications Commission, were Harvard Law School classmates at the time and members of the Harvard Law Review.

After TheDC made preliminary inquiries Monday to confirm Obama’s attendance at the wedding, ABC leaked a pre-emptive statement to news outlets including Politico and The Daily Beast Tuesday, revealing what may have been internal network pressure felt just days before Raddatz was scheduled to moderate the one and only vice-presidential debate Thursday night.

Both Politico and The Daily Beast jumped to ABC and Raddatz’s defense. The Huffington Post, a liberal news outlet, joined them shortly thereafter, while calling “unusual” ABC’s attempt to kill the story before it gained wide circulation.

I'd rather Paul Ryan then that lunatic Joe Biden.

Well Jamie your lack of logic amazes me, if Romney is getting up there in age, then Biden must be tip toeing around the grave, Obama's first failure was picking old gas Biden who has serious problems acting his age, being rude, obnoxious, he has zero class, instead of being an exceptional vice president, he is more suitable as a used car salesman!
As for the rest of you thinking Biden whooped Ryan, use logic which I realize is easier said than done, compared to Biden, Ryan was very respectful even during numerous times Biden unfairly interrupted Ryan, he said nothing to him which clearly shows strong character & professionalism something Biden seriously lacks!

I agree. When Biden interrupted she should have told him to be quiet, you'll have your turn to speak, but now it is Congressman Ryan's time. She had no control over the lunatic vice president.

Bought and paid for moderator and Biden still lsot.

That will work, then one side will claim the other side had the moderator in their pocket, because let's face it. Those of us who have done their homework or have been had the shepard use his staff to bring together the fluck, oops flock, will not change our minds no matter who wins the debate. Our minds only allow us to hear when our minds are open. For many of us the votes are already in. Hopefully, the one who truely sit on the fence will be able to know that a smile is not rude (smile and the world smiles with you, frown and you are alone) Joe Biden looked at the audience and clearly said you American are intelligent enough to get the facts for yourself and act accordingly, while Ryan could only barb Biden with "it would be better if we did not argue". Folks a debate is an educated and civil argument. If smiling is rude or arragant the US has lost its most valuable asset, its sense of humor. When you loose your sense of humor, then you have lost everything. A good sense of humor can make even the darkest hour more bearable and lift the spirits to a point of hope. Kudos Joe, Kudos Obama.

What's wrong is spending stimulus money that did nobody any good except for campaign contributor's and special interest groups.

Rather than appearing to have a double standard Ryan appears to have cared about the residents of his home state by attempting to legitimately get some money for them before all of it disappeared into "green jobs" in other countries. His complaint about the stimulus was that far too little of it actually went to infrastructure spending which was the point, after all. Stimulating the economy, that is.

I don't see how that reflects poorly on Ryan at all. In fact I think Biden handed Ryan a bullseye, which neither of them, in the heat of the moment, realised at the time. Not that I believe for one second that Biden has any intention of doing a post mortem on his debate performance...

Really, John C? Do you read your daily newspaper?

Keep telling yourself that John. Maybe you can make yourself believe it. No one else will.

For those who continuously say that Joe was rude and interrupting, then you must not have heard the orator announce that the coin toss was that Joe would lead on the topics, but Ryan continuously jumped out the starting gate. When Biden would interrupt it was because it was his turn to begin with.

BTW, JOHN C,
President Barack Obama was a guest at the 1991 wedding of ABC senior foreign correspondent and vice presidential debate moderator Martha Raddatz, The Daily Caller has learned. Obama and groom Julius Genachowski, whom Obama would later tap to head the Federal Communications Commission, were Harvard Law School classmates at the time and members of the Harvard Law Review.

After TheDC made preliminary inquiries Monday to confirm Obama’s attendance at the wedding, ABC leaked a pre-emptive statement to news outlets including Politico and The Daily Beast Tuesday, revealing what may have been internal network pressure felt just days before Raddatz was scheduled to moderate the one and only vice-presidential debate Thursday night.

Both Politico and The Daily Beast jumped to ABC and Raddatz’s defense. The Huffington Post, a liberal news outlet, joined them shortly thereafter, while calling “unusual” ABC’s attempt to kill the story before it gained wide circulation.

BTW MR. Johnson,
No need to post this multiple times, who cares. The questions were the questions. The topic was set in stone before the moderator. People judge with what see, and obviously reading the board people have differing veiws of the debate.

Good comment, Bill. I think it is also worth noting that I don't think it was quite what the people who elected Obama wanted when Obama promised to get out of Iraq. I think they thought he was going to be bring all the troops home. They were basically just moved from Iraq to Kuwait...which basically defended the GOP's posotion that us being over there is necessary. I guess the city planner got schooled a bit more on the terrible threat of terroism and how real it is. Bush and McCain were right about all that. Not to mention the the way the Afgan situation escalated. This ''also'' was not what the Dems said they would do. Ironically, what they have done is a watered down version of what the GOP would have done if McCain had won. The half-hearted way Obama is guidling the fighting over there is costing us more lives than it should be. Biden's asssement of Iran's preent threat was not very reassuring. If was like saying the the ex cons formerly locked up for murder, that moved in next door, who now have guns but are not allowed to have guns...will not be a threat until they have more of them.

Malarky

Is that the same as B.S.?

Raddatz and Genachowski divorced in 1997. Just add that detail to your worthless accumulation of trivia. You keep interrupting serious comments with nonsense. Stop it.

Lynda...I think it is really humorous how you are the only one to bring up that fact. I am not sure it makes the Dems looks worse or better, but it is funny. Good one. 2 points...make that 3.

And the "moral" of this story is????????????????????????????
Martha Raddatz is a professional - if you knew half as much as she does - you would realize Ryan could not/would not give specifics for "loop holes" - if Romney/Ryan are elected and you have a mortgage - you will be unable to deduct the tax

LYNDA, HOW DARE YOU TELL ME I KEEP INTERRUPTING SERIOUS COMMENTS WITH NONSENSE? WHO ARE YOU TO TALK TO ME LIKE THAT? MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. JUST SO YOU KNOW I'M AWARE OF THE FACTS THAT RADDATZ & GENACHOWSKI DIVORCE IN 1997 AND ARE NOW MARRIED TO OTHER SPOUSES. THEY MAYBE DIVORCE BUT THEY ARE STILL FRIENDS WITH OBAMA AND OBAMA STILL ASKED THEM FAVORS.

BTW, LYNDA EVEN RADDATZ DID NOT BELIEVE JOE BIDEN'S EXPLANATIONS FOR LIBYA. HOW ABOUT THAT ??? HA !!! HA!!! HA!!!

Succint even if untrue?

Succint even if conjecture?

And Obama lack of interest in his debate was a major turn off.

Was that the cherry or lime koolaide you were consuming during the debate?

Dang Paul, sounds like you should pass the glass of Republican punch...or put it down...It looked like Ryan was needing his diper changed...

Man all these Biden fans are some real serious educated people. They must of gotten lots of free Obama cell phones

Romney debate: Aggressive, Strong, and Interruptive
Republicans cheer!
Bidden debate: Aggressive, Strong, and Interruptive
Republicans cry foul.

I agree...Presenting fiction as facts...Please don't fall for it...

Mark, if you are black, your comment would sound like a happy fairy tale. I hope a significant part of the 47% are considering your opinon. It is a good one...and good luck to you, young man, and I hope better days are ahead for you. I have two sons that are similar in your plight.

I agree it is time for Joe to go, he lost miserably and smirked like the little boy that just ate BIG Bird. You Robme people only want to see what you want to see, which is looking through rose colored glasses. Problem is the world is not rose colored it is black and white. Two months ago Romney/Ryan was saying they would change the law regarding womens rights and defund family planning. Last night Paul flipped and flopped just like Robme has done over the course of his campaign. The reason Biden smiled was because it was all he could do to keep from laughing at the outrageous childish allegations and uneducated statements Ryan was making. Ryan reads a book and, bingo, is an expert on foreign affairs and knows what the Generals want; while Biden has sat in the war room and heard what they want. It is like the student trying to teach the professors class without an education and looking pleased with himself because he THINKS he has out smarted the professor and all he was doing was showing his lack of education and maturity, just those of you here that post such "malarkey"! Obama/Biden 2012 Four More Years!

Carol, Biden's age and education should have been enough to win that debate. Clearly Biden felt that those two advantages were not sufficient, and seemingly lacking any respect for audiences filled with both Democrats and Republicans he behaved as if he had a lot to lose by acting like a statesman. That worries me. Why did he not consider his age and experience sufficient to win the debate? If he truly won on substantive issues do you really think none of us would have noticed it without all of the facial grimaces, smirks and smiles while Ryan was speaking?

I am still an undecided voter. I was looking for serious evidence of the superiority of one candidate's plan or another. Biden's behaviour was distracting and indicated a complete lack of confidence in ME to understand his positions and listen to them with educated ears. He clearly believed that we needed the Sesame Street version of presidential behaviour. It didn't work for me. Even though logic told me he was by far the more experienced VP candidate it truly brought his credibility into question that he felt the need to go beyond the spoken word when it was his turn to speak. In my world when someone acts like that they are not sincere and are trying to hide something. Otherwise there would be no need to distract. That is a truly impartial opinion from an undecided voter.

Chris, I have to say......If the makers of Summers Eve don't trademark that term "Churlish douchenozzle"..... I'm running with it for all it's worth! You're a marketing genius.

I saw Obama on TV before the debate saying what Biden needed to do was ''be Joe Biden''. I think the ''Churlish Douchenozzel'' you came up with fully describes him...even when he is being the ''harmless charming idiot'' as well. Unfortuantely(for the Dems)...or fortunately(for the GOP)...depending on how you look at it....I can see Obama possibly trying the same tactic the next debate with Romeny. Obama is a lot like one of those douchenozzles also. It would be just like Obama to hear all this criticism about Biden's style he used and read about how many were turned off by it...and then use the same tactic precisely because of that fact. Obama and Biden share the quality of enjoying being offensive and pompous. It's hard to beleive Obama was formerly a city planner...he seems more like a drama queen.

Yes, I have made an observation, as I have looked around. The few houses that have the Robme/Ryan signs in their yards show how many supporters the two Rs have. When you compare this to the number of those who do not have signs in their yard tells the real story, they plan to vote for Obama and do not want to fear reprisal. Here is an Letter to the Editor from the Delta County Independent in Colorado to prove the point: See next posting.

posting cont'd
Cowardly tactics won’t dissuade staunch Democrat
Written by Robert Laitres
Wednesday, 10 October 2012 13:30
Dear Editor:

Delta County appears to abound with those who consider themselves constitutional experts and especially the "freedom of speech" clause. However, when comes the time to actually practice it themselves, that appears to be defined to mean, "Yes. I can speak and you should listen, but you should remain quiet, as I have spoken."

That is the height of hypocrisy for those who are in need of being reminded of what the word means; i.e., preaching something you yourself do not practice.

This year I decided to put Obama signs on both sides of my pickup. That is despite the "warning" that those would be defaced, destroyed or removed.

Sure enough, at approximately 1:15 p.m. on Oct. 3, on 3rd Avenue between Main and Meeker in the friendly City of Delta, some highly enlightened, and undoutedly "patriotic" individual, did exactly that. We should all be proud of such individuals as they are certainly a credit to this community and believe in the United States Constitution and all of its provisions (and can probably quote parts of it verbatim).

You will excuse some of us if we do not share in admiring them. As, in addition to their being criminals (criminal mischief), we consider such individuals emotionally and intellectually immature.

cont'd next posting

cont'd from last posting:
Not too far above them on the evolutionary scale are those who either smiled or smirked when looking at those defaced signs. Those were not children or adolescents, but those of middle age and even seniors. They must have gone to school at some point, but quite obviously missed those parts of their "education" that might have been of greatest value in helping them grow up.

My first reaction, and what I had planned to do, was to replace those signs. However, thinking upon the matter further and recalling the saying that "When you have a lemon, you make lemonade," I have decided to leave those signs exactly as they are. The people of the community should therefore become accustomed to seeing them.

Their condition may serve to remind us that some in this community are not as mature, tolerant, open minded or patriotic as they claim to be. At the same time, they may be much more hypocritical than they believe they are. That may be a much more valuable lesson to teach and learn.

I am a Democrat and I support President Obama. Others support other candidates. That is their choice.

While I don't know who vandalized those signs (not that I particularly care who the miscreant was), defacing or destroying some defenseless object, or approving of it, is really a sign of someone who is either unable or unwilling to defend his/her own beliefs. Such individuals some of us consider no more than cowards.

cont'd on next post

cont'd from last post:
So, whoever that coward was, may I suggest that you go try your "brownshirt" tactics on someone else. It may work on them, but not on me. If you believe otherwise, you have sorely misjudged this Democrat.

Robert Laitres

Delta

Balee..I agree..Biden was da meaner of the two...lol.

BIDEN IS A GROUCHY OLD MAN THAT NEEDS TO RETIRE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THEIR PROMISED 4 YEARS AGO? HOPE & CHANGE? HOPE & CHANGE? THEY SURE DID CHANGED ALL THE LIFE OF THE MIDDLE CLASS & SHATTERED THEIR HOPES FOR A BETTER LIFE? YOU PEOPLE THINK OBAMA IS NOT RICH AT ALL? HE'S HIDING ALL OF MONEY EVERYWHERE SO PEOPLE THINKS THAT HE PROTECTS THE MIDDLE CLASS WHEN IN FACT HE PARTY ALL THE TIME WITH HOLLYWOOD CELEBRETIES? DO YOU SEE MIDDLE CLASS & POOR PEOPLE PARTY LIKE THE OBAMA? OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE OBAMA DEPLETED THEIR MONEY, MAKE THEM LOST THEIR HOUSE & ALL OF THEIR SAVINGS & BLAME THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION :((

IF OBAMA DIED AND BIDEN BECOMES THE PRESIDENT? IT'S GOING TO BE THE END OF THE WORLD BECAUSE HE SURE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT'S HE'S DOING...

BOMX55,
So based on your assumption the president is the only one who is fighting dirty? Both parties are fighting dirty and came out with the gloves off. Do you think those "foundations" are not being funding by the political parties? You notice both parties like to say the other party started it. Because Obama started his campaign before Romney? The "Birthers" and other foundations didn't already have their commericals out before a Republican candidate was choosen? I think you might have your timeline a little distorted. It's ok, I understand you want to support your candidate. And like both candidates you don't want the facts get in the way of a good story.

And which of these two candidates from the major parties are about bringing us together and working together? Both have initiated attack ads, both have used the 47% or 1% comments to further divide the people. Also you talk of the presidental candidates what about the horrible divide we have the Congress. There needs to be a complete house cleaning. Just as you can read from the comments on this board including yourself are just continuing the dividing propaganda and message.

Sounds like the full laundry list of CNN talking points!

I agree with you...Ryan with one lie after another until he couldn't keep them straight...
Then had to shut up...Obama and Biden, it's working...

CJ,
Unfortunitely when you mention the presidental debate, i think Romney set himself up for failure in the second debate due to the first one. In the first debate the challenger is usually the winner due to a lower bar is set. Now the bar is set extremely high for Romney, where the bar was lowered for Obama after his performance. If the second debate is a tie, Obama wins because we as a society will judge on the change in performance. The second debate is the most crucial.
As far as tactics in the debate, Biden won, because the VP debate is typically the "dirty" debate. If either Obama or Romney acted in that way it would be an issue, but the V.P. debate is usually the hard fought debate. Most facts or lack there of are used in the V.P. debate than any other. The presidental debates are about message, stay with the message.
You can tell where people lean by how they saw this and the first presidental debate. The independents like myself have the debate score at 1-1 with wins for Romney and Biden. This is a traditional conservative area, but the problem is that both sides Liberal and Conservative have been pushing to the extremes. You are seeing a lot of people looking for that medium which neither of the presidental candidates are giving.

Wow, Michael. Some of the BS you come up with is really something. I need to put my rubbber waders on to even read some of your posts. You better be careful or Chris will send you one of those douchenozzels things.

C.J.
Just the facts. No B.S. here. Sorry, i do my fact checking after the debate, and as you know I follow the history of such things every closely (see Polk). I know you want to support Romney, but don't let that get in the way of facts and history.

What it says is people are infatuated with the surface and cannot get past that. Ryan is younger and has that little alter boy look that is so easy to be taken back by, but listen to what he said and know this Biden had him good when he let Ryan know that he was too much of a gentleman to post the letter in the media that Ryan wrote requesting funds from a fund he is saying is part of the plan to defund for a balanced budget. That my friends is called politics and politicing. Lie, throw out a bunch of marlarky, look like you have the facts, lie, somemore, tell your opponent that you should not argue and share the time when you are the one who is talking out of turn and the only way to get a word in edgewise is to interupt. If you look at the debate again you will see that Biden was to go first on the issues, but after the first, Ryan took over Biden's time. Biden even had to ask if he was going to be allowed equal time. The people that post here must be in another demension, because it was not the reality of the situation.

Carol says Biden is too much of a gentleman to post Ryan's letter asking for stimulus funds.

Carol I listened carefully to Biden on that point and I heard Biden clearly say that they are not allowed to bring letters to show at a debate but wanted us to take it on faith that Ryan did write that letter.

Regardless, as I've said elsewhere I don't see any hypocrisy in Ryan asking for Stimulus funds for his state. Ryan's problem with the stimulus was that too little of it went to infrastructure spending, presumably what Ryan was planning to use the stimulus money for. I don't see the problem with that. Ryan did what anybody in his position was supposed to be able to do - lobby for money to go to his state for infrastructure spending.

Asking for stimulus money and observing/complaining that money went to foreign companies or countries or that money was wasted are not mutually exclusive.

You, my friend, watch too many movies and need to get in the real world. The real world is Robme and Cryan are just more of the same in a cloak of Religious smoke and malarky. They can talk Christian values all they want, but Christians do not take the homes and food out of the mouths of others. In fact it is the other way around. If you do not believe me I suggest you read the "beautitudes" or teachings of Jesus on the Mount, in the same Bible you all want to cram down everyones throat. If God himself gives us a choice, then who are we to think we are better than God and know what is better for us. You believe the way you want and I will believe the way I want, because it is a right not just by this country, but long before this country was by my God.

As captain of my debating team, we were coached heavily in the importance of body language and respectful listening to and allowing completion of the others point before responding.

"I have not paid any attention to the VICE-PRESIDENT of the US before last night"

Scary.................and you are going to go cast a vote.

Yes, I am aware Carol represents the majority of the voting crowd, but c'mon.

Carol. I am so sorry to hear you went to an uncredited school. Must have been tough being on that debate team and always losing. Who was your debate teacher...Don Rickles and Phyllis Diller ? I went to a big school. If a team ever pulled the kind of ''malarky'' that Biden pulled...we'd be talking to him in the alley afterwards. You can't talk to people like Biden does out on the streets or you will soon be a canidate for dental implants. He is several things that rhyme with ick. So is Obama. The direction they are taking us in on many fronts is trouble and dangerous to our country.

Let's clarify a couple things to you, Carol. Biden characterized Romeny's spy scummy spy film on the 47% comment as ''the people who don't pay taxes''. That is not what Romeny said. he said there was 47% of the people who will not ever vote for him no matter what. It is ''several reason'' and several groups of people'' within the 47% he was referring to. His comment was ''right on''...and he was right about the 47%. What is the big deal about this? With the logic there are 47% who ''will'' vote for him...it is the reamining 6% that need to rethink thier vote. we will have to see how that goes. It certainly is no longer a slam dunk Obama will win. Another thing. Romeny never said he was going to get rid of Big Bird. he said he was going to cut funding to PBS. Again...what's wrong with that? There are going to have to be several cuts to several things to fix our economic woes. We don't need PBS on 50 channels at the same time of cable. It is a myth that PBS is privately funded by the ''public''. It gets ''a lot'' of tax money...and Romeny simply was stating there needs to be big cuts. Duh. Are you serious? Everyone loves Big Bird. In fact, Romney probably likes Big Bird better than Obama does. I see Obama more of fan of shows about Anarchy. Obama would be among ''the pigs'' in George Orwell's, Animal Farm.

Very sensible comments, Carolo. You put into words what so many of us would like to say. Just a note, I think Joe Biden's "my friend" filler comes from his many years debating in the Senate. Watching C-Span it seems to be normal
Senate jargon. A little old fashioned courtesy which helps senators stay civil. Now if they could just get some work done!

People are concerned because Biden was smarky and grinning after listening to the lies of Romney and Ryan for an entire year? How about being upset because they want to privatize Social Social and get rid of Medicare? How about being upset because Ryan constantly talks about the stimulus but then requested it privately in an email to Biden? How about being upset because we are a couple weeks from elections and Ryan or Romney still will not give details as to what they want to cut? How about them wanting to take a womans right to chose what she does with her own body? Or Romney still hiding his tax returns?

My dad, my uncles, my brothers and my two sons were in the military. Why has Romney and everyone of his 5 sons never served even in the Guards? He's such a great American, why does he hide his money in accounts overseas?

And you are upset because Biden was grinning?

Spot on...

I am glad I'm not the only one that sees it that way...I don't vote for the party but results...I had been out of work 6 of the 8 years of Bush...18 months into Obamas
term and back to work, with a defense contractor with I had been laid off from during
the Bush run...I don't want to go back...Barrack and Biden are on our sides...

The last good Republican was R. Nixon, I would vote for him over Romney anyday.

I didn't find Romney aggressive but I did find him to be in command during the debate. First Obama's deportment gave Romney an edge. He looked distracted, disinterested and bored. He could not even defend his own economic policies in an articulate manner. He fumbled, he droned....etc. That isn't about debate prep - after four years a President should know his economic policies cold. That is the incumbent advantage, no?

Second, Romney did interrupt the moderator, but I did not see him smirking, smiling, or otherwise mugging for the camera while Obama was speaking. Thus I don't find the equivalence between Romney and Biden to ring true.

Upperhoovednaym,
You may have not found him to be aggressive, but many people did. Including the people who were praising his preformance on this site for being aggressive. He was cutting off the moderator and at times the President. Which I found no problem with, as I also didn't find an issue with Bidden's performance. Because in the end that is all they are, performances. Bidden did the appropriate act for the V.P. debate which is historically more biting and vicious than the Presidental debates. There is a coorelation, and I understand if you do not find an equivalance. But as I can see most Romney Supports don't see it, just like Obama supports see Romney has aggressive and rude in the Presidental Debate and Bidden being in command of the second debate. As I said in an earlier post, my view as an undecided independent, is the score on debates is 1-1 wins going to Romney and Bidden.

JOE, JOE C..... EASY ON YOUR COMMENTS, HERE JOE..... YOU DON'T TO WANT TO HAVE A HEART ATTACK ANG GET ALL PUMP UP LIKE GRANDPA JOE. TELL YOUR SELF WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "HOPE & CHANGE" THEY PROMISED 4 YEARS AGO? THE ONLY CHANGED THEY DID TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE IS THEY DEPLETED ALL THEIR SAVINGS FOR THEIR CHILDREN'S FUTURE & GUESS WHAT? OBAMA BLAME ALL OF HIS MISTAKES TO THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION..... HOW SAD IS THAT? REALLY PATHETIC, AIN'T IT, JOE C?

What horse crap. Romney was the aggressor last week, and Biden was the aggressor this week.

You're obsessing about minor stylistic issues, rather than dealing with substance.

Romney won last week, and Biden won last night.

Thank you for my laugh of the day.

Great experience!! What type of head wound do you have?

Federal support for PBS is only $445 million per year, approximately $1.35 per person, per year. Compare this small amount to what this country will spend on the military if Romney is elected. A report by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities states that Romney's budget plan will further increase our massive defense budget by $7.9 trillion between 2013 and 2022 and will have to cut $7 trillion from all non-defense programs in order to balance the budget. Romney's plan is to not only eliminate PBS, which educates our young children without commercials, but to eliminate most government programs that assist all poor and working class Americans. While Romney's priorities are to further cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans and dramatically increase the military budget, we will all lose more than just Big Bird. We will lose the entire safety net working class people have paid for their whole lives. Of course Romney wants to eliminate PBS because he and Ryan generally depend on low information voters in order to get elected.

Ooops...he never said he didn't. Whoopsie. On the other hand, Biden said they didn't know it was a terrorist attack. Ooops...yes they did. Ooops...he, and obozo, lied again.

Are you saying that this country would be better off if we had the inexperienced Romney/Ryan team running our foreign policy? Romney has absolutely no foreign policy experience. Romney spent his life as a vulture capitalist closing down American factories and sending our manufacturing jobs to China. The only foreign policy experience Romney has is travelling overseas to visit the money he is hiding in foreign bank accounts so that he won't have to pay any taxes to support our government. Romney only travelled once overseas during this campaign where he embarrassed himself first in England by criticizing the Olympics and again in Israel with his statements showing a lack of understanding of the Palestinian problem. Ryan also has no foreign policy experience. He is a Republican obstructionist Tea Partier who sits on the Budget Committee writing budgets that cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans and pays for it by eliminating the middle class safety net. The Lybian facts are still being investigated to determine what exactly happened that night, but the U.S. foreign policy under Pres. Obama and Sec. of State Clinton has been consistent, supported by our allies, and has been generally very successful.

@Joe - Yes.

@Joe Yes. I'm beginning to lean in that direction. The Libya situation was handled very poorly.

Who's to say Romney would be any worse than Obama, upon assuming the Presidency? Obama had no foreign policy experience either... As the incumbent he has the advantage, due to 4 years of being POTUS. Overall we have to judge Obama on his record. He isn't running on his record because it is execrable.

If having no foreign policy experience was good enough for us when Obama was elected why is that any different for any other candidate?

I don't like you Joe, you ignore facts & have the nerve to turn what I posted into something against Mr. Romney which has nothing to do with what happened in Libya, you know I am right current democratic administration have been hiding facts, for God's Sake President Obama our Commander in Chief is supposed to be keeping all of us Americans safe, that is his job, that is the reason he got elected & he swore to it but unfortunately & sadly he failed to keep our ambassador & the seal team stationed in Libya safe, there is a poor mother who lost her only son Sean Smith wanting answers to what happened & how her son got murdered who is getting the run around, you Joe claim that they are still investigating, how dare you say that we all know when somebody in US gets murdered first thing that is done is perform an autopsy but instead they brought these poor victims in coffins & buried them, they didn't even have the decency to let this poor mother see her son one last time absolutely no respect for human life & ultimate sacrifice!
What would you do Joe, if someone you love died in these circumstances, I bet you would be frantic to find out what happened just like that poor mother who has to live with the fact that she will never see her beloved son, never be able to talk to him, never be able to hug him, what a shame all you can say is "Pres. Obama and Sec. of State Clinton has been consistent, supported by our allies, has been generally very successful."

Wake up Joe & face the facts, what Pres. Obama & VP Biden are doing is wrong, what happened in Libya has nothing to do with the election, accept the fact things are not rosy, these are the worst of times & it is going to get even worse if we ignore common sense, all I am saying is by all means vote for the candidate you want but please question the current administration, be informed, don't ignore facts, I realize you don't know me but please have the decency to trust what I am saying, I am being truthful when I post these facts, I have absolutely nothing to gain by lying which same goes for you so I am asking you very sincerely to listen to reason ask what happened in Libya, here's a good article to read which is posted in LA Times http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-us-guards-20121011,0,3772440.story

Carol. First. The blog author needs to end this thread and start over. It has taken on a life of it's own. It does not help when idiots like you can't insert their replies in the proper part of the thread. This blog has become too time consuming to follow. It is encouraging to see how dominant the comments here are criticizing Biden. Liberal dweebs like you with your blinders on just simply can't be turned off. Enjoy living among the 47%...the rest of us will still remain in the fight for right. I think you may be a paid blogger, but you certainly are a liar. You are rediculous to argue that Biden's tactics would have not worked against him in the judging during a real debate. It pretty much proves you are a liar. What do you mean, ''FYI''...that was just what I said about Big Bird. Romeny's comment about PBS was simply a shot across the bow to all of us that we need President prepared to make some hard calls. You are void on recognizing the plight we face. There ''is no'' easy fix for our nations problems...but the answer certainly is not Obama. Like it or not....no matter waht politics you follow...what religion or beleifs you support...it is Capitalism that rules. It all about money. No body really likes it, but it simply is the nature of man and his greed tendancies.

Carol why are you so insecure that you feel it necessary to denigrate any candidate? That is the self same behaviour of Biden and it only reminds me of a sore loser. But neither of you have lost anything yet, so why the "sore loser" behaviour.

Use Romney and Ryan's proper names. I would say the same to idiots playing games with Obama or Biden's names. I wonder what came first....the playground tactics of the voters or those of their candidates/party of choice.

It seems a bit naive to believe there is a coincidence. I don't. I don't appreciate childish behaviour overall but I am tending to see it more in the posts such as Carol's here with the "Robme/Cryan" posts. They suggest their originator is in Middle School or worse.

Please, for your own sake and your credibility, try to resist the urge to mock. It suggests an insecurity and immaturity that is unbecoming and worrisome in a person old enough to vote. I am a mature adult well into middle age, with children of voting age. They are taking this election very seriously, and are voting their consciences. I have taught them to be critical thinkers and would not dream to mock them if they were to choose to vote in a party I disagree with. As it is I am still undecided but I will not lean on my sons to vote one way or the other. Certainly I know they wouldn't behave this childishly.

Sad.

...Our country needs a good businessman right now...not a City Planner. Catering more to the poor instead of the ones who create our jobs is just plain dumb...and Odumbo's ''city planning skills'' have advanced to professional bull s er. It is the rich who will fix this country...not the poor. That is like 2 plus 2 math, but obviously still too hard for a debate master like you...cough cough. The only contest you would stand a chance with winning is having the Biggest Mouth one...the Hot Air award would go to Biden, but you might make a good showing there as well. Being a liar? You win hands down...nobody would come close to beating you at that. Get off the proch and go jump in a lake with Big Bird.

"Vote early! Don't let Republicans suppress your right to vote!"

What bollocks! Be honest...This is in the main the real problem with lower voting rates amongst Democrats:

Vote! Don't think others are going to do it for you!

Sorry Joe c...but I wanted to see the auto companies go bankrupt also...along with all the home owners and everyone else who defualted on loans. This is a free enterprise country, and when one person fials...move out of the way for the next person. it is unfair to thios next in line. The great thing about free enterprise, is you can fail...and then get right back up and try to succed next time. In case you have not noticed, the price of cars is rediculous. i'd like to see a lot of them go under and then maybe some competitor will step in with a product that is revolutionary in price. We need another VW Beetle in this country. The ''rew privileged individuals'' are the people who own companies and creat mass jobs. You bet I want to see them get richer..so they can pay more. ''THAT'' is how things work in the USA. Capitalism is a good thing...unless of course you are some entitlement searching slacker. Rich companies equal high paying jobs...uh...why don't you ''get'' that???

I have to agree with CJ and that the auto companies and banks with fraudulent loans should have been allowed to go bankrupt. In a Free Market they would have been allowed to go bankrupt and the bubble in my opinion would have stopped there. Both Bush and Obama handled this wrong in my opinion.

Thanks for being the adult in the room and researching the facts.

How about researching where those sites spend their money, at least 6 of the 7 opening support financially the Democratic party. Regardless of who truly won the debate they are going to say Biden won it.

WHY DOES OBAMA NEEDS CLINTON TO CAMPAIGN WITH HIM? HE KEEPS HIDING BEHIND CLINTONS BACK AND THINKS THAT PEOPLE WILL VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE CLINTON BEGS THME TO DO IT !!!!! HOW PATHETIC OF HIM TO HIDE BEHIND CLINTON AND LET CLINTON DO THE TALKING AND WALKING FOR HIM. BE A MAN AND CAMPAIGN ON YOUR OWN AND DO NOT USE SOMEONE'S POWER TO CAMPAIGN FOR YOU. SHOW THE PEOPLE YOU CAN DO IT WITHOUT ANY BACK UP FROM ANYONE.

For Ms Belle, who posted what I can only call a ludicrous comment about impeachment of President Obama (her claim is much worse and more distorted than even the left-wingers who rabidly called for Bush's impeachment for making up a phony reason to launch the war in Iraq, notably a highest level deliberate act which - on the basis of false intelligence - subsequently cost thousands of US lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi civilian lives, versus a midlevel management error in the State Department), she should take note of what the parents of Ambassador Stevens have said:

[from Bloomberg News]

"The father of Christopher Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya who was killed in the attack in Benghazi last month, said his son’s death shouldn’t be politicized in the presidential campaign.

“It would really be abhorrent to make this into a campaign issue,” Jan Stevens, 77, said in a telephone interview from his home in Loomis,California, as he prepares for a memorial service for his son next week.

Mitt Romney, the Republican nominee, has criticized President Barack Obama for not providing adequate security in Libya, saying the administration has left the country exposed to a deadly terrorist attack.

The ambassador’s father, a lawyer, said politicians should await the findings of a formal investigation before making accusations or judgments."

The family's wishes trump political tactics, and also make sense for thinking Americans.

HEY, GOIN' COMMANDO !!!! NOT MAN ENOUGH TO A NAME? WHY DON'T YOU MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS?? YOU DON'T KNOW ME AT ALL? HOW DO YOU KNOW I'M NOT BLIND? I HOPE SOMEDAY YOU GO BLIND AND WHEN THAT DAY COMES YOU WILL INDEED WRITE IN ALL CAPS SO YOU CAN READ WHAT YOU WROTE. YOU IGNORAMUS !!!!!!

Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a nurse, a great humanitarian, and a sex educator in an age when there was little sex education available. Margaret Sanger was a product of her times. She was born in 1879 in a Victorian world where people viewed many social issues much differently than we see these issues today. Your simplistic character assassination of her does not change the fact that she was correct in believing that women have an absolute right to health care, family planning, birth control, and abortion. You have a right to your personal and religious beliefs, but you have no right to impose your religious beliefs on anybody else. We live in a free country here. We do not have a theocracy like they do in Iran. You need to live by your own personal and religious beliefs and let everybody else live by theirs. I can't stand religious bullies like you who try to force women back into the Dark Ages where they may die seeking dangerous and illegal abortions because you don't think that they should have their rights.

Joe,

Yes, she was all of those things and also a promoter of Eugenics, a plan to purify the race and create a new world made up of eugenically superior humans. Her work was inspirational and embraced by Adolf Hitler. He put into practice on a large scale what she was teaching. Here are some other quotes from Sanger:

On the purpose of birth control:
The purpose in promoting birth control was "to create a race of thoroughbreds," she wrote in the Birth Control Review, Nov. 1921 (p. 2)

On the extermination of blacks:
"We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members." Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon

On respecting the rights of the mentally ill:
In her "Plan for Peace," Sanger outlined her strategy for eradication of those she deemed "feeble-minded." Among the steps included in her evil scheme were immigration restrictions; compulsory sterilization; segregation to a lifetime of farm work; etc. Birth Control Review, April 1932, p. 10

They are being followed by Planned Parenthood. If you notice that 70% of abortion clinics are in minority neighborhoods. Here in Sarasota the largest abortion clinic in Florida is located in New Town. No surprise given Sanger's hate of those inferior blacks.

While it is in the uterous it breathes water and cannot survive prior to five months out of the womb. Killing any human being is both illegal and a sin, so a soilder kills what, and a bomb kills what and capital punishment kills what? Where do you stop? Show me where in the Bible it says Thou Shalt not Kill unless? I can only guess you are either Christian or Catholic because you use the word sin. I do not support killing anything, but if you are going justify killing why wait until after people have had time to love and know the person you have justified in killing?

..except for the fact that is more of a math error than a grammar one...lol

Carol Sherman, you are such a typical ARROGANT, OBNOXIOUS DEMOCRAT. Just because of small mistake you make a big deal out of it? How pathetic you are..... There are worst problems out there to worry about than someone's grammar or spelling. This is not a contest. What's wrong with you, ignoramus !!!!!